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Old 08-24-2007, 09:32 PM
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Hi everyone,

I recently installed PCBSD on one of my computers and I had a very nice surprise. I have tried OpenBSD, NetBSD, FreeBSD but PCBSD was by far the easiest installation of all. I have also tried all the major Linux distros and Windows (I shouldn't have mentioned this one maybe) and PCBSD is by far the fastest and most reliable of all. Why isn't PCBSD more popular? Thank you and I would like to contribute to this project. I am a junior java programmer (I know you guys use C, so i'm probably useless in this area) and my first language is Romanian (useless again because you probably don't need any translation from English to Romanian). Is there any other way to contribute?

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Corneliu
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Old 08-24-2007, 09:48 PM
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Welcome onboard!

http://www.pcbsd.org:8080/ro/
Translation english to romanian IS needed.

Perhaps you could imagine to make some PBIs
(I hope you already know PBIs....)

Regarding the question why PC-BSD isn't more popular : the Linux hype with all the script-kiddies and other wannabe-geeks, the usual Windows dominance due to MS tactics, etc. Many do even not know BSD in general.
See here http://forums.pcbsd.org/viewtopic.php?t=9373

But I think more and more people are jumping on the bandwagon.

Cheers
Jenny
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Old 08-24-2007, 10:31 PM
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Cool, welcome! Yes, there is work translating into Romanian :wink:
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Old 08-25-2007, 12:38 AM
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Yes, I know about PBI and I like the way it works. It would be very exciting to make PBIs. I'll check the forum to see how I can translate and make PBIs.
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Old 08-25-2007, 02:08 AM
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Originally Posted by GoldfrappJenny
Regarding the question why PC-BSD isn't more popular : the Linux hype with all the script-kiddies and other wannabe-geeks, the usual Windows dominance due to MS tactics, etc. Many do even not know BSD in general.
See here http://forums.pcbsd.org/viewtopic.php?t=9373
Actually, I believe BSD didn't become as popular due to legal troubles of some sort. Once the original BSD had a lawsuit against it, developers wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot pole. Enter Linus Torvalds, who, because the only Unix-like freely available was embroiled in a legal battle, created the Linux kernel. If BSD hadn't had that legal trouble (just who was involved I forget, but it was over someone allegedly using someone else's code), Linus himself states he wouldn't have made the Linux kernel. As far as the Microsoft thing, you're 100 percent correct.
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Old 08-25-2007, 02:50 AM
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Originally Posted by GoldfrappJenny
Regarding the question why PC-BSD isn't more popular : the Linux hype with all the script-kiddies and other wannabe-geeks, the usual Windows dominance due to MS tactics, etc. Many do even not know BSD in general.
See here http://forums.pcbsd.org/viewtopic.php?t=9373
Actually, I believe BSD didn't become as popular due to legal troubles of some sort. Once the original BSD had a lawsuit against it, developers wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot pole. Enter Linus Torvalds, who, because the only Unix-like freely available was embroiled in a legal battle, created the Linux kernel. If BSD hadn't had that legal trouble (just who was involved I forget, but it was over someone allegedly using someone else's code), Linus himself states he wouldn't have made the Linux kernel. As far as the Microsoft thing, you're 100 percent correct.
First company to port successfully Unix to PC computers was SCO (Santa Cruz)
that just lost the lawsuit against Novel for the ownership of Unix. Novel is just a MS proxy.
BSD unlike Linux kernel is not a clone of Unix but real Unix so ATT (Bell Labs owner) where Ken Thomson started writing Unix as an experimental operating system started a lawsuit in 1992 against University of California Berkley
for (BSD stands for Berkley Software Distribution) infringement of intellectual property.
The lawsuit resulted in removal of 3 files from the BSD. Torval Linux who was a Ph. D.
student working on research on Operating Systems (Finland) decided to code the clone of Unix which he will use on his PC. The rest is history.

The only two authentic descendant of original Unix are BSDs actually descending from V5 Unix and Solaris which is descendant of original BSD Unix started at University of Calirofnia Berkley 1972 by Bill Joy.

Microsoft original Plan was also to port a Unix and their version was to be called Xunix.
Unfortunately old 8086 PC machines did not have hard drive so it was impossible to use Unix.
MS quick fix was to buy a Q-DOS (Quick Dirty Operating System) from an obscure California company and create MS-DOS which is up to present Operating System sold by MS known by name of its GUI Windows. MS-DOS has not been written originally for 386 architecture,
it has never been intended to be used for Internet connected computers or as a server OS.
It was written to boot from the floppy and power 8086 machine which did quite well (almost as good as Amiga operating system .


Faced with difficulties and serious competition from such project as NEXT Microsoft
has given up on Xunix indulging in lasting practice of deception, lies and dirty trick to eliminate
any competition. Instead of rewriting an OS from the scratch they decided to try to patch something that can not be fixed.

The shades of project NEXT still live Apple OS X operating system which
despite the fact that is really Unix based has the same customer base as MS of people who want to click their way out.

Nice summary of the origins of BSD project can be found in Greg Lehey's book The Complete BSD that could be freely downloaded from his web site.

The secret of Linux success is not so much Linux or GNU movement started by Richard Stelman of MIT but rather secret support given to Linux by major industry players as
IBM and HP who were afraid of being marginalized on the main frame by MS and its puppets.
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Old 08-25-2007, 09:27 AM
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Not quite right IMHO.

Originally Posted by Oko
Actually, I believe BSD didn't become as popular due to legal troubles of some sort. Once the original BSD had a lawsuit against it, developers wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot pole.
The same applies to Linux now and people still touch it.
Additionaly I think that lawsuit is ages away, most people do not even remember it. I am really not sure that that is the reason (nowadays).

Originally Posted by Oko
Enter Linus Torvalds, who, because the only Unix-like freely available was embroiled in a legal battle, created the Linux kernel.
Well, he also said that it was just a student/university hobby project without any world-wide intentions. See also the famous Tanenbaum <-> Linus flamewar.

Originally Posted by Oko
Novel is just a MS proxy.
SCO is a MS proxy, not Novel. They are fighting each other on their own.

Originally Posted by Oko
Microsoft original Plan was also to port a Unix and their version was to be called Xunix.
The MS Unix was called Xenix, and it was not developed by MS, but rather by AT&T (Unix System III). MS licensed it and sold it to computer manufacturer.

Originally it was not even for the x86 world but rather comes from PDP-11 machines. The computer manuctuers themselfs had to port it to different CPUs and the first 16-Bit version was still not for x86 but for the Zilog computers.

SCO itself later bought the rights on Xenix and built their SCO Unix from it.
SCO was also the company who ported it on the x86 CPU!

Xenix was also once the most installed Unix of it's time!

BTW : Xenix included parts of BSD!

Originally Posted by Oko
Unfortunately old 8086 PC machines did not have hard drive so it was impossible to use Unix.
At the times when Xenix was ported to x86 (1983), the PCs could have had hard drives.

Originally Posted by Oko
MS quick fix was to buy a Q-DOS (Quick Dirty Operating System)
DOS stands for Disk Operating System, not dirty.
(applies also for Q-DOS)

Originally Posted by Oko
from an obscure California company
Washington, not California. The company that made Q-DOS was based in Seattle. And the company was named Seattle Computer Products.

Originally Posted by Oko
and create MS-DOS which is up to present Operating System sold by MS known by name of its GUI Windows.
The NT (=> NT4) family has no underlying DOS anymore. It's a DOS emulation, and the Operating System is NT. (even Vista is based on NT. It's correct name is NT 6.0. Look it up)

Originally Posted by Oko
it has never been intended to be used for Internet connected computers or as a server OS.
And has never been really used for it.

Originally Posted by Oko
Faced with difficulties and serious competition from such project as NEXT Microsoft has given up on Xunix indulging in lasting practice of deception, lies and dirty trick to eliminate
Not quite right. They simply lost interest and concentrated on OS/2. Later on they also interest in that OS and created NT.

Originally Posted by Oko
any competition. Instead of rewriting an OS from the scratch
They did. By writing NT. It was written from scratch.

Originally Posted by Oko
IBM and HP who were afraid of being marginalized on the main frame by MS and its puppets.
IBM and HP were already strong players in the high end market with AIX and HP-UX. I think it's just a childish joy to see MS struggeling with Linux...
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Old 08-26-2007, 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by GoldfrappJenny
The same applies to Linux now and people still touch it.
Additionaly I think that lawsuit is ages away, most people do not even remember it. I am really not sure that that is the reason (nowadays).
No, the same does NOT apply to Linux. Linux has no outstanding lawsuits. BSD did. Additionally, Oko did not say the first or second quotes in your post, I did. Do you need help with quoting (not being sarcastic)?
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Old 08-26-2007, 07:00 AM
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No, the same does NOT apply to Linux. Linux has no outstanding lawsuits
Apparently you missed the entire SCO versus Novell, and SCO versus IBM & Linux lawsuit soap opera.

Not that SCO is right, but it IS a lawsuit against Linux.

Quote:
Additionally, Oko did not say the first or second quotes in your post, I did. Do you need help with quoting (not being sarcastic)?
Oko editied his post (the first time you edit your post it won't be displayed as "editied"). He DID said what I quote. Do you think that I make up text just to to comment my own text? Do you need help thinking logically (not being sarcastic)?
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Old 08-26-2007, 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by GoldfrappJenny
Apparently you missed the entire SCO versus Novell, and SCO versus IBM & Linux lawsuit soap opera.

Not that SCO is right, but it IS a lawsuit against Linux.
SCO vs. Novell was over UNIX, if I remember correctly. Not Linux. I can't comment on SCO vs. IBM- never heard of it. What was that about?

Originally Posted by GoldfrappJenny
Oko editied his post (the first time you edit your post it won't be displayed as "editied"). He DID said what I quote. Do you think that I make up text just to to comment my own text?
Yes, he said the other stuff that you quote, but NOT the first two. I said those. But you know what? It's not worth arguing over, so let's drop it, shall we?

Originally Posted by GoldfrappJenny
Do you need help thinking logically (not being sarcastic)?
Cool your jets, mister. I never intended to offend. I honestly thought that, just MAYBE, you didn't know how to use the quote feature. No need to be rude to those who would help.
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