Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 08-18-2012, 09:44 AM
Draina Draina is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 4
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default PC-BSD 9 Live DVD feedback
Hello there,

I'd like to switch from Debian to FreeBSD, therefore as soon as I learned that
there was a new version of PC-BSD available, I rushed to try it. However, it
seems I'm still not enough of a Unix guru to make even PC-BSD work. I'll forget
about it for another couple of years (my last attempt to install PC-BSD was at
version 8).

Here are the stumbling blocks I found, in case you are interested in feedback
from novice users:

- Live ISOs are huge: they are time-consuming for users to download and
demand expensive bandwidth from the PC-BSD project
- no keyboard configuration in the wizard
- choice of window manager is confusing (users may not know the difference
between them)
- no feedback abuut the network system
- no PC-BSD Handbook
- poor feedback from GUI tools

As soon as I booted the Live DVD, I realized why the ISO is so big: there are
several window managers to choose from, and I guess that each window manager
comes with its stock applications that demand space. Is having several window
managers necessary? I mean necessary, not desirable. There are more important
choice to offer to users, namely the keyboard layout (I know about `setxkbmap',
but I'm talking as an novice).

KDE setup is buggy: starting the default Web browser gives way to a column of
error messages. Gnome has a KDE menu in its Application drawer: is that
intentional? If KDE is the window manager of choice for the project, then stick
to it as the default choice.

Where is the PC-BSD Handbook? I couldn't connect to the Internet, so I tried to
RTFM, but no manual was in sight. Maybe it is assumed that users will have a
backup PC when trying the Live DVD?

Where is feedback about the network? Feedback about whether the network card
and other hardware has been detected or not should be mandatory. Ubuntu Live CD
always loads a network applet in the task bar. I went to the configuration
applet and apparently the wireless card was detected, but after that... nothing.

Why applets, both on KDE and GNOME, besides departing from the mainstream
captions for buttons (e.g. "Save" instead of "Apply"), don't give users feedback
when you apply settings? Mainstream applications grey out the "Apply" button
when settings have been saved, then enable them again as soon as you change
something. Feedback is King.

This are my 2 cents. No intention to be dismissive or whining, just too tired
to write polite English.

Keep up with the good work.
Hello there,

I'd like to switch from Debian to FreeBSD, therefore as soon as I learned that
there was a new version of PC-BSD available, I rushed to try it. However, it
seems I'm still not enough of a Unix guru to make even PC-BSD work. I'll forget
about it for another couple of years (my last attempt to install PC-BSD was at
version 8).

Here are the stumbling blocks I found, in case you are interested in feedback
from novice users:

- Live ISOs are huge: they are time-consuming for users to download and
demand expensive bandwidth from the PC-BSD project
- no keyboard configuration in the wizard
- choice of window manager is confusing (users may not know the difference
between them)
- no feedback abuut the network system
- no PC-BSD Handbook
- poor feedback from GUI tools

As soon as I booted the Live DVD, I realized why the ISO is so big: there are
several window managers to choose from, and I guess that each window manager
comes with its stock applications that demand space. Is having several window
managers necessary? I mean necessary, not desirable. There are more important
choice to offer to users, namely the keyboard layout (I know about `setxkbmap',
but I'm talking as an novice).

KDE setup is buggy: starting the default Web browser gives way to a column of
error messages. Gnome has a KDE menu in its Application drawer: is that
intentional? If KDE is the window manager of choice for the project, then stick
to it as the default choice.

Where is the PC-BSD Handbook? I couldn't connect to the Internet, so I tried to
RTFM, but no manual was in sight. Maybe it is assumed that users will have a
backup PC when trying the Live DVD?

Where is feedback about the network? Feedback about whether the network card
and other hardware has been detected or not should be mandatory. Ubuntu Live CD
always loads a network applet in the task bar. I went to the configuration
applet and apparently the wireless card was detected, but after that... nothing.

Why applets, both on KDE and GNOME, besides departing from the mainstream
captions for buttons (e.g. "Save" instead of "Apply"), don't give users feedback
when you apply settings? Mainstream applications grey out the "Apply" button
when settings have been saved, then enable them again as soon as you change
something. Feedback is King.

These are my 2 cents. No intention to be dismissive or whining, just too tired
to write polite English.

Keep up with the good work.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 08-19-2012, 07:59 PM
dadix dadix is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 10
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default
Quote:
no PC-BSD Handbook
PC-BSD_9_Handbook http://wiki.pcbsd.org/index.php/PC-BSD_9_Handbook

Last edited by dadix; 08-19-2012 at 08:03 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 08-19-2012, 09:37 PM
Tigersharke Tigersharke is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Saint Paul, MN
Posts: 129
Thanks: 20
Thanked 24 Times in 19 Posts
Default
Actually, since the wiki has been in transition for v9.1, the handbook on ftp://ftp.pcbsd.org/pub/handbook/9.0/ would be more accurate. Also available is an html version that can be viewed there via web browser. In addition to these online sources, there should be a copy installed with the OS, with a link on the desktop. I thought that the handbook was also included with live media, but I may be wrong about this.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 08-20-2012, 10:56 AM
Draina Draina is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 4
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default
Originally Posted by dadix View Post
PC-BSD_9_Handbook http://wiki.pcbsd.org/index.php/PC-BSD_9_Handbook
I meant: no handbook on the Live DVD. I couldn't connect to the Internet, therefore I looked for the handbook to aid me in troubleshooting.

Originally Posted by Tigersharke View Post
In addition to these online sources, there should be a copy installed with the OS, with a link on the desktop. I thought that the handbook was also included with live media, but I may be wrong about this.
It isn't. This is what I was complaining about.

Last edited by Draina; 08-20-2012 at 10:59 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 09-19-2012, 03:43 PM
Draina Draina is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 4
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default
I've tried the installation with the regular DVD instead of the Live one and things are much better. Props to the developer.

I've chosen the Gnome desktop environment and I've found some annoying glitches. Maybe KDE is better integrated? If so, then it would make sense to distribute only KDE (and LXDE as a lighter choice).

Also, my criticism towards the huge ISOs was unwarranted: I've discovered that there are CD images for a LXDE-based basic installation.

Keep up with the good work.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 09-19-2012, 05:24 PM
bds bds is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 430
Thanks: 54
Thanked 35 Times in 32 Posts
Default
Originally Posted by Draina View Post
I've chosen the Gnome desktop environment and I've found some annoying glitches. Maybe KDE is better integrated? If so, then it would make sense to distribute only KDE (and LXDE as a lighter choice).
When you have a moment, please start a thread in the Gnome testing forum so the devs are aware of the problems.

Cheers!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 07:56 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Copyright 2005-2010, The PC-BSD Project. PC-BSD and the PC-BSD logo are registered trademarks of iXsystems.
All other content is freely available for sharing under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution License.