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Old 02-03-2012, 06:56 AM
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This post may be a little old, but as a Mac user I'd like to reply to it.

First, in reply to MercM's "three types of Mac users" list, I'm a fourth entry: someone who uses a Mac because it does what I want it to without any trouble/effort/screwing around. OS X works virtually out-of-the-box for me, with just a bit of time spent downloading some preferred/necessary software. Windows historically forced me to spend a lot of time removing OEM-installed crap that I'll never use, and then downloading many preferred/necessary programs. The latter problem isn't as big any more as many of the default Windows programs have gotten much better recently, but I still have the former issue if I'm not installing Windows from scratch. As for BSD/Linux/etc, my number one problem is getting the system to allow me to type in Chinese. I invariably have trouble with that every time I install such a system. There are other minor issues I run into with software and configuration, but most of those just require a dozen or so minutes to clear up.

But despite what I said above, OS X 10.7 keeps finding new ways to piss me off. It's not bad, but it's a downhill slope. If 10.8 doesn't improve these issues, I might actually switch away from it. So far there are only two things sitting between me and installing PC-BSD:

1) Hardware support. Does the system work well on a new Macbook Pro? This is the only computer I have because I spend way too much time on the road, so I would prefer to keep using it rather than buy a second computer. Furthermore, I prefer the style of the MBP: the large touchpad is great and I can use it without desiring a mouse, and the thin size makes it easy to carry without needing a specialised bag. I just downloaded the live-USB to try using PC-BSD directly on the hardware without installing, so if it works well like this, we're on our way. But then there's the next issue:

2) I need to type in Chinese. If setting up Chinese support is easy, we're good, but historically I've had to spend an hour or more getting a Linux distribution to enter Chinese text easily. And I'm not looking to the install the whole system in Chinese (English is my native language), I just want to type it. Furthermore, In OS X, I hit command+space and Chinese input is enabled system-wide. By default in Windows, I would hit CTRL+space and Chinese input would only be enabled for the current program, and switching programs put me back in English mode. I later found out I could make it work system-wide in the control panel, and was happy because that's my preferred mode. Don't give me this "no input window" crap I kept seeing in Linux, I just want to type Chinese regardless of what window is open.

I am glad that PC-BSD now supports Gnome, as no matter how hard I try I just can't like KDE (with the exception of Skrooge). My issues won't convert other Mac-users, but solving them may convince me.
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Old 05-03-2012, 04:26 AM
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MACs are expensive and even get the occasional virus or two. PC-BSD can make a great second machine.
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Old 05-03-2012, 06:18 AM
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I don't like Mac.
However I believe they could behave great when used by "power users", which are users able to install a port or to go to the shell.
I have an old PowerPC now running FreeBSD....
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I know I'm late to reply to this thread but I think the idea of targeting the mac world is not bad. The only way I envision it happening would be to have a serious push to help incorporate Etoile desktop environment. Linux is great and everything but the desktop environment scene is in real chaos right now. Etoile would help by offering binary compatibility with many OSX apps. If you could go to OSX developers and tell them that all they need to do to port their apps is copy source code to a PCBSD machine and compile, I think you could win over many commercial applications. If you can get the applications, the users will follow.

Check out Etoile DE: http://etoileos.com/etoile/
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Old 09-04-2012, 07:57 PM
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With PC-BSD, you have a greater choice in hardware and more customization options for your desktop.
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Old 09-05-2012, 11:54 AM
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There used to be FreeBSD ports for the Etoile desktop environment, but they were removed because they were out of date and nobody would step up to maintain/update them. If somebody from the community would like to take responsibility for updating and maintaining the ports, returning them to the FreeBSD ports tree, then we would have no problem adding Etoile as one of the available desktop environments for PC-BSD.
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Old 09-05-2012, 04:14 PM
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There used to be FreeBSD ports for the Etoile desktop environment, but they were removed because they were out of date and nobody would step up to maintain/update them. If somebody from the community would like to take responsibility for updating and maintaining the ports, returning them to the FreeBSD ports tree, then we would have no problem adding Etoile as one of the available desktop environments for PC-BSD.
There are many varied desktops available. If one isn't maintained, use another that is. Xfce, Lxde, and even Kde can all be made appealing to any user whether from a MAC or a pc.

Price and stability are great advantages we have over apple. Heck, a $350 barebone box can easily equal a MAC mini in performance. You can't get any apple product with an Amd processor.:wink:
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Old 12-07-2012, 11:45 PM
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First of all, this is my first post. Actually signed up just so I could.

I'm also a Mac user, and am starting a company that will require servers. Apple has been trimming down server support for the past few years. At this point I can't rely on them to continue support to business users.

FYI, not a big fan of Linux. A lot of similar issues with m$!

I've downloaded my first ever copy of BSD earlier today.

Will install it tomorrow. Hopefully it will turn out to be just right (have an 8 year old daughter, couldn't resist the 3 bears reference).

Looking forward to stability and ease of use I'm familiar with and more hardware options.
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Old 12-09-2012, 03:01 PM
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Apple makes a great server. They have one based on the MAC mini. They cost more money then the hardware and software capacity justifies.

Having said that, using PC-BSD makes a lot more sense. For the money, BSD wins because its free and that means that all your money can be put into hardware instead.

The nice thing about PC-BSD is that you can smoke any decent desktop, throw in a few compatible Ethernet cards and you will end up with a very nice stable server.

You can literally walk into Walmart with a desktop tower and then go to Best Buy for the Ethernet cards to get what you need.

MySQL, apache and perl are only a few clicks away.
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Old 12-10-2012, 04:03 PM
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Apple used to make a rack mount server, discontinued. They currently make one based on a Mac pro, a system that hasn't been updated for years. Granted the Mac mini server is a cool little system, but some people want or need more.

I'm suggesting PC-BSD as an option for Mac centric businesses. Just as Linux has become for many windows centric businesses.

It could also be an option for old windows systems for those making the switch to Mac.

I did a little research and was able to find solutions for each component in OS X Server except for Xsan, and I didn't look to hard for that one as there are similar options.
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