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Hi Kris,

i saw a video review about PC-BSD9 and the user has a CPU load of 60% ... don't know why, but those noob reviews destroy some kind of reputation

PC-BSD 9 Isotope......It's Nearly Dope Man a man full of dots, what can i say more ?

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Old 04-23-2012, 02:10 AM
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Red face Nvidia
I'm having exactly the same nVidia problems as noted above. In my case, I'm also running the 32-bit version of PC-BSD 9.0 on a 3.0 GHz P4 system with an nVidia 6200 AGP card. The nVidia driver is loaded, but will not run; all I get is VESA and 1024x768. I changed to the nv driver, and now all looks well. I'm not a gamer, and so I'm not looking for the absolute best in performance, and plan to use this driver until I get the time to further pursue Supercobrajet's method. On my first attempt, I opened the PC-BSD control panel, and found the little yellow exclamation point icon on top of Service Manager, System Manager, User Manager, Display, and Printing.I'm also running Gnome, rather than KDE. In addition, my system also will not recognize the nvidia-xconfig command, even as root.

Is it perhaps time for an RC4?
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Old 06-29-2012, 06:16 AM
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Kris, I don't know who it is in the FreeBSD community that is dead set on
having the world's largest database of monitors and usurping the major
graphics vendor's jobs but whoever it is needs slapped. Every time the screen
wizard is run it first checks for monitor capabilities. Seriously. That is beyond
dumb. That is F'ING stupid.

Which $Billion$ corporation is it that has hundreds of full-time engineers who
program their software to not only recognize but reconfigure their software
specifically for the tens of thousands of different monitors on earth? Could it
be Nvidia? Yeah, I think it is. Now, which Operating System is it that takes it
upon itself to attempt to try doing that corporation's job by discerning the
capabilities of our monitors and when it realizes that it "doesn't know" what
model it is quickly jots down "Unknown" and defaults to Vesa? Could that be
FreeBSD? Maybe?

Why in hell does FreeBSD not check for an installed graphics card FIRST? Is it
because you like hearing, thousands of times a year, "I'm having problems
with my graphics card" ? Or maybe it's because I like setting up 10-20
systems a year on 10-20 different monitors and playing the "OMG, FreeBSD is
STILL trying to detect the monitor before a graphics card game" 9 out of 10
times and then spending a few dozen hair pulling hours correcting for it?


Dumb was born without the ability to know.
Ignorant was born with the ability, it just hasn't had the opportunity yet.
Stupid knew better than to pull that dumb $#!t.

This screen wizard is stupid.
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Old 06-29-2012, 01:46 PM
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Dude, somebody needs a chill pill!

I'm always open to new ways of doing things, for the record here's how the current video detection works in 9.1:

First, we default to what Xorg auto-detects. (This works in most cases, usually detecting ati/intel/nvidia drivers properly) Next it prompts the user if they want to keep this auto-detected configuration. If the user selects NO, then we bring up the display wizard, with the auto-detected video driver, and let them pick the rest of their options.

This isn't perfect. There are still cases where Xorg fails to detect the right video card, so it falls back to vesa, or on a dual-head system, it doesn't auto-enable the 2nd monitor, or you can be running in a VM, and need to manually select the vboxvideo driver. However, we're working to try and make those get auto-detected better.

FWIW, I don't hate NVIDIA at all, they are the only ones with hardware / drivers which consistently work here. On the contrary, it seems to be the intel / ATI drivers which are causing the bulk of the problems i'm seeing.
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Old 06-29-2012, 02:37 PM
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Well over half of the time Xorg does not detect what monitor I have and
instead of checking for an available graphics card (not driver!) it defaults to
vesa and locks in 1024x768. Then running nvidia-xconfig doesn't work, at
all. Why? Because Xorg never allowed the driver to be loaded because it
doesn't care at all what hardware you have once it has self determined that
your monitor is from a different galaxy and everyone on earth has a 17"
CRT from the year 1997.

I don't believe that you hate Nvidia. Theo de Raadt however DOES hate
Nvidia and it shows, a lot. All I am saying is that the Xorg people don't keep
track of the 20 new Asus, 50 new Dell/HP/Apple, 1,000+ new off-brand
monitors that are released every year... but Nvidia does! That is their job,
they are not "volunteers", they don't do this in their spare time, Xorg
however does. So why rely on Xorg to put IT'S monitor detection abilities
above the graphics card's detection abilities? It should check for an
available card, load that card's driver and let it deal with the monitor's
capabilities.

In the last 6 months I have witnessed 4 Panasonic, 2 Asus, 1 Gateway and
1 Visio monitors that Xorg has locked in to Vesa at 1024x768 and then the
display wizard refuses to accept any other options. If the card's driver has
been designed to deal with a myriad of monitors then why is Xorg more
concerned with detecting everything on it's own? Graphics related problems
have been a minimum of 50% of all the difficulties I have ever had with
FreeBSD and I don't think that is very far from the average user's
experience.
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What kind of monitor / card do you run? FWIW, I have NVIDIA on all my systems here, and the way the new 9.1 installer works, it auto-detects the correct LCD resolutions, loads the nvidia driver and everything just fine now. Is this something you are seeing on 9.0 or the 9.1 snapshots?
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Old 06-29-2012, 04:21 PM
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I have several systems/monitors here and elsewhere. All monitors are lcd, some
running DVI, some HDMI. Nvidia cards include 2x fx5500, 1x 8500GT and 2x
8800GTX. I've been working with pcbsd 9.0. If I had more time I would try the
snapshots but I don't so I have been sticking with stable releases.
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Ok, that makes more sense. The display process was improved quite a bit in 9.1. Historically we had a lot of problems getting xorg to auto-detect video / monitor settings correctly. However that has gotten better as of late, so we are defaulting in 9.1 to letting it do its thing first. Now the display wizard is only a fall-back option, in case for whatever reason the auto-config fails.

When 9.1 BETA1 drops in the upcoming weeks, would you be willing to give it a shot on your hardware? It seems to work much better here on the various systems I've tried
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Sure, I'll check it out.

Meanwhile, I'd like to know whatever became of Ian Robinson's conclusion here:
http://lists.pcbsd.org/pipermail/tes...ry/003853.html
Is that sorted out? It's interesting because I have also seen the wizard fail many
times to even detect which drivers are available. Most times it simply lists nv and
nvidia.
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Old 06-30-2012, 05:51 AM
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Kind of a follow-up. I just spent 5 hours trying to get a driver installed for a fx
5500. Nothing man. 173.14.27/28/30/31/35 ... none of them will install. For some
CRAZED F'N REASON all PC-BSD wants to offer me is the 290.10 driver. Guess
what? Yeah, that doesn't work with the fx5500. In fact, Kris, it doesn't work with
just about any card older than say 8 years. Do you have any idea why this is
happening? It's not just me. I've read 4 or 5 other people here that had the exact
same problem and they never got answers. So will the upcoming 9.1 address this?
Will it actually offer the correct driver? Will the 173.x be an option? Or should I
just go Vanilla or install a Linux? Honestly, at this very moment I am questioning
ever using pcbsd again.

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