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Dingens
12-24-2005, 01:05 AM
my fonts are not so sharp as in windows os. after i installed the microsoft fonts pbi and figured it on arial the kde apps (like: amarok, kopete, konquerer....) are sharp as windows, but my firefox, thunderbird, open office and so on.... ARE NOT SHARP!

what did i wrong?

toadlife
12-24-2005, 02:55 AM
There is a FreeBSD port called "mozilla_fonts" that will make your fonts nice in firefox and mozilla.

To install it

* open up a shell window
* type "su" and hit enter
*Type your root password
* Type "pkg_add -r mozilla-fonts" and hit enter.

If it isn't allready, this should be made into a PBI package!

Dingens
12-24-2005, 10:18 AM
thank you! but i don´t won´t to do it for every app! isn´t there a "global" solution?

toadlife
12-24-2005, 11:43 AM
You don't have to do it for every app. It's just firefox that has that special package. Most other apps in KDE share fonts.

Charles
12-24-2005, 12:36 PM
How about for OpenOffice.org?

Dingens
12-26-2005, 10:02 PM
with oo it's the same problem. you will see with the follwing screenshots!

:arrow: installed ms fonts
:arrow: installed qt engine

sharp ms fonts in kde enviroment:
http://img344.imageshack.us/img344/3483/fonts4ib.png

unsharp fonts with open office (pc-bsd):
http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/2198/fontsoopcbsd2fp.png

sharp fonts with open office (win):
http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/7898/fontsoowin3xe.jpg

unsharp fonts in firefox (pc-bsd):
http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/7389/fontspcbsd6ls.png

sharp fonts in firefox (win):
http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/289/fontswin6jo.jpg

i think, this make it quite clear :-)

Charles
12-26-2005, 11:59 PM
Mmmh... If some one knows how to fix OO.o, I'd be more than happy to do so, and release new versions. I am very picky with fonts.

Dingens
12-27-2005, 12:03 AM
i think it is a generally problem. it's not only in this apps you see above. it is in all apps that are not "native" kde apps.

what could i do? if anyone have a link to a howto or something like this, it would be great.

popey
12-27-2005, 12:55 AM
It looks like your fonts on windows have no anti-aliasing/font smoothing applied while in PCBSD they have. Font smoothing probably doesn't work well with your monitor so I would suggest turning it off. Curiously, your unsharp fonts look far superior on my lcd monitor, your windows fonts look very jagged.

Charles
12-27-2005, 04:12 PM
Here his windows screenshots look a lot better on either my LCD or CRT screens. They look sharper.

DrJ
12-27-2005, 04:44 PM
I think which fonts look better is a matter of personal taste. Anti-aliased and smoothed fonts are less sharp, but one does not see the pixels that one would otherwise see. I personally prefer the anti-aliased ones, but obviously others disagree.

DrJ

Charles
12-27-2005, 05:43 PM
I think it's not a matter of aliased or anti-aliased, it's a matter of which one is better for certain fonts. I have posted a message on the BSD Forums (http://www.bsdforums.org/forums/showthread.php?p=200473#post200473) regarding this issue.

There are fonts at certain sizes that look better aliased, and others that look better antialiased at other sizes.

Here's a ~/.fonts.conf (http://www.auriance.com/docs/pcbsd/fonts/fonts.conf) file that defines these rules pretty much the same way as on Windows. I think for instance that Verdana 11px looks better aliased, and Times New Roman 22px looks better anti-aliased.

Dingens
12-27-2005, 06:06 PM
did i understand it right, that when i copy this file to /usr/X11R6/etc/fonts/fonts.conf then my fonts looks better?

Dingens
12-27-2005, 06:10 PM
or to /usr/compat/linux/etc/fonts/fonts.conf or both places?

edit:

YES this is definetly what i mean http://img272.imageshack.us/img272/3751/msfonts2md.th.png (http://img272.imageshack.us/my.php?image=msfonts2md.png)

but where to copy this file?

Charles
12-27-2005, 06:38 PM
Here's the name of the file: ~/.fonts.conf, when there is ~, it means the home directory, so if your home directory is /home/manfred, then copy this file there, and rename it with a "." in front of it so that it's a hidden file and X.org catches it :)

Dingens
12-28-2005, 12:59 PM
i've put it in my home dir and name it "/home/manfred/.fonts.conf" but nothing happenend. and renaming it to a.fonts.conf ? didn't match to. what did i wrong?

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/111/fontshidden5vn.png

Charles
12-28-2005, 03:01 PM
Maybe you forgot to change the name of the fonts in the K Control Center.. Also, you need to turn off anti-aliasing there too ;)

Dingens
12-28-2005, 03:26 PM
no, it's already done.

http://img309.imageshack.us/img309/6619/fontshidden9zb.png

edit:

i did a restart, too!

Dingens
01-04-2006, 10:59 PM
anyone an idea? i could make another screenshots or post conf files...

i definetly want this kind of sharp fonts
http://img272.imageshack.us/img272/3751/msfonts2md.th.png (http://img272.imageshack.us/my.php?image=msfonts2md.png)

Charles
01-05-2006, 10:22 AM
Could you tell me what shows up with:

ls -a ~

Dingens
01-05-2006, 05:55 PM
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/5111/fontsconsole0ws.jpg

Dingens
01-05-2006, 06:22 PM
http://img445.imageshack.us/img445/4668/fontsdingens9wg.jpg

Charles
01-05-2006, 07:26 PM
Strange :roll:
The contents are different. Anyway, the console says there is no .font.conf file...

Download this file (http://www.auriance.com/docs/pcbsd/fonts/fonts.conf) to /home/dingens, then do this:

mv ~/fonts.conf ~/.fonts.conf

Then logout from KDE and re-login. It should work (select your custom Microsoft fonts in each application configuration though). If it doesn't work, show me the out put of:

ls -a ~

Dingens
01-05-2006, 08:12 PM
in terminal with admin rights:
PCBSD# cd /home/marcel/
PCBSD# mv /home/marcel/fonts.conf /home/marcel/.fonts.conf
PCBSD# ls -a /home/marcel

till here it should be all ok, but when i reboot/relogin, than it's the same look as every time. and the .fonts.conf exist but take no effect at all.

thank you guys till here. when anyone have an idea, ok. the next step is reinstall the system.

for more infos: i have installed qt engines but it take no effect of this topic or yes?

Charles
01-05-2006, 08:21 PM
Don't worry, we'll find out where the problem comes from ;)

Could you copy/paste the output of the following for me please?

ls -a ~

:roll:

Charles
01-05-2006, 08:24 PM
Tell me one thing: this screenshots shows that the rules are working fine already for at least the console:

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/5111/fontsconsole0ws.jpg

So, this makes me think that it's an application configuration issue. Could you show me a screenshot of the fonts that you set up for KDE in the K Control Center please? Same for Konqueror, a screnshot of the fonts configuration menu, bitte :)

Dingens
01-05-2006, 08:36 PM
Konqueror
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/8829/fontskonq0kj.jpg

Controlcenter
http://img309.imageshack.us/img309/6619/fontshidden9zb.png

Charles
01-05-2006, 09:50 PM
It seems to be working alright :)
What applications follow our custom rules, which ones don't?

Dingens
01-06-2006, 09:33 AM
when i am at home i will ad some other apps!

BAD
open office
mozilla firefox
mozilla thunderbird
opera

GOOD
konqueror
kfree
kopete
kpaint (?)
...all native kde apps

Solarin
01-06-2006, 11:16 AM
Tell me, are all those 'bad' apps running through the linux emulation layer? If so, which one are you using?

I briefly switched to the rh8 layer before getting a problem resolved and switching back to rh7. One thing I noticed whilst using the rh8 layer was that the fonts in my linux apps looked ugly. They're fine under rh7.

Charles
01-06-2006, 11:26 AM
The following applications have bad fonts for me too:

open office
mozilla firefox
mozilla thunderbird
opera

But this is a problem inherent to those applications (the PBIs). Also, for linux applications such as Opera (and Firefox in the future), the problem comes from the Linux Compat, I think it needs to be linux_base-8, although I don't remember 100% :)

Dingens
01-06-2006, 11:37 AM
äähem, ääähhm pardon?

Charles
01-06-2006, 11:47 AM
In essence, to fix this font problem, we need to update the linux_base, and also we need to release "hacked" PBIs for those applications that are causing problem. Not something the end-user can do at this point :(

Solarin
01-06-2006, 11:53 AM
Strange Charles, they look awful in linux_base-8 to me, that's why I got rid of it and reverted to the version that's installed by default. Incidentally I find the default install superior in many ways :wink:

Charles
01-06-2006, 02:35 PM
Mmmh... There's something weird. You're using the default linux_base (version 7 if my memory doesn't fail me), you're using the Opera PBI, and your fonts are anti-aliased? This is my configuration too, but my fonts in Opera are jagged...

Dingens
01-06-2006, 04:43 PM
The following applications have bad fonts for me too:

open office
mozilla firefox
mozilla thunderbird
opera

But this is a problem inherent to those applications (the PBIs). Also, for linux applications such as Opera (and Firefox in the future), the problem comes from the Linux Compat, I think it needs to be linux_base-8, although I don't remember 100% :)no, this is big shit. this is really .... aaaaaahhhhhhhh

this MUST be a prior topic fpr pcbsd! this is a point where some os switchers would say: "no, it's look ugly. i don't use it"

---------------

is there really no way to change it? :?

Charles
01-06-2006, 09:38 PM
this MUST be a prior topic fpr pcbsd! this is a point where some os switchers would say: "no, it's look ugly. i don't use it"

This is more or less my case. I don't use PC-BSD as my default OS because of the fonts in the browsers. It's a shame. We definately need to improve those dramatically.

Solarin
01-06-2006, 10:33 PM
this MUST be a prior topic fpr pcbsd! this is a point where some os switchers would say: "no, it's look ugly. i don't use it"

This is more or less my case. I don't use PC-BSD as my default OS because of the fonts in the browsers. It's a shame. We definately need to improve those dramatically.

Really?! I've been using it as my base OS for a while now and things are looking great. Especially since your contribution towards the fonts Charles. What problems are you having?

Dingens
01-07-2006, 01:50 AM
ok, big big thanks to all the guy who helping me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


but it is a real problem! i know a few people who don want to move to linux or bsd because the fonts are looking so ugly...........

WHAT CAN I DO?????????????

crossbonez
01-07-2006, 08:44 AM
install microsoft free fonts pack?

i know theres sth like this in debian / fedora

Dingens
01-07-2006, 11:54 AM
no, the microsoft fonts are easy to install, that's no problem. i mean the fonts look of the apps that are not kde apps. because they are UNSHARP.

Charles
01-07-2006, 02:01 PM
no, the microsoft fonts are easy to install, that's no problem. i mean the fonts look of the apps that are not kde apps. because they are UNSHARP.

Ditto.

Dingens
01-07-2006, 02:07 PM
dito! :-) is this a brazil expression, too?

Charles
01-07-2006, 02:41 PM
:) No, it doesn't mean anything in Brazil, but it means "The above should be repeated" in english

http://www.google.com/search?q=define:ditto

Dingens
01-07-2006, 02:48 PM
in german "dito" ;-)

Dingens
03-20-2006, 04:31 PM
when i am at home i will ad some other apps!

BAD
open office
mozilla firefox
mozilla thunderbird
opera

GOOD
konqueror
kfree
kopete
kpaint (?)
...all native kde appsSTOP! i didin't recognize, but my opera fonts are now sharp as in windows. but i don't know how i did it :lol:

Charles
03-20-2006, 10:57 PM
I guess the only way is installing Opera 9 Preview 2 (http://www.pbidir.com/packages.php?code=225) :roll:

Opera is a Qt application.

Dingens
03-20-2006, 11:10 PM
ok, but i didn't install it. it came on an other way :-)

antik
03-21-2006, 08:43 AM
ok, but i didn't install it. it came on an other way :-)

Now you have to visit some hypnothist

Charles
03-21-2006, 09:44 AM
ok, but i didn't install it. it came on an other way :-)

Ok, now I want to see a screenshot of, say, Yahoo! please 8)

Dingens
03-21-2006, 03:40 PM
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/6343/screenshot0lp.th.png (http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot0lp.png)

Dingens
03-21-2006, 03:46 PM
and my scribus is fine, too!

Charles
03-22-2006, 01:41 AM
I really can't tell because all these fonts are really supposed to ne hinted and aliased. If I could see larger fonts, I would be able to tell is your fonts are following the fontconfig file or not.

Could you show us a screenshot of the FreeBSD handbook (http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/) which combines aliased and antialiased fonts please? :roll:

Dingens
03-22-2006, 07:57 AM
yes, i will make it at home.

Dingens
03-22-2006, 03:08 PM
pcbsd
http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/4886/pcbsd8eo.png

win
http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/3861/win3bj.jpg

you are right. there are not all fonts sharp :-(

Charles
03-22-2006, 05:26 PM
For me these fonts are perfect, which one don't you think is sharp?

Is this really linux-opera? It looks just like my Opera 9 Preview 2 (FreeBSD version).

If this is really linux-opera, then you have to tell me your secret! :)

Dingens
03-22-2006, 07:16 PM
i mean the cursive fonts in the screenshot are not sharp as in windows.

i took only the pbi opera packages with flash AND without flash.

TerryP
03-22-2006, 08:35 PM
Like the windows fonts ^_^

Dingens
03-22-2006, 08:50 PM
pardon? i don't know what you mean!

Charles
03-22-2006, 09:34 PM
i mean the cursive fonts in the screenshot are not sharp as in windows.

I don't see any difference between the 2 above screenshots in terms of quality.

i took only the pbi opera packages with flash AND without flash.

I don't understand. Opera packages on PBIdir are either with of without Flash. It can't be with and without Flash AFAIK... :?

Could you give me the link in any case? Did you edit additional files or installed additional plugins, packages, etc? How did you do it? Does Flash work BTW?

Dingens
03-23-2006, 04:31 PM
yes, i see a quality between both. th epcbsd one look like cursive AND BOLD. and the win screenshot look only like coursive.

you asked me if install the opera review pbi and i said NO i only install the two opera packages.

when a command exist were i could make a dir on my filesystem and create a txt file out of this... this would be great ?!?

but ....puuuu..... i try so much but i can´t imagine all the things.

Charles
03-23-2006, 09:48 PM
Does Flash content work BTW? :roll:

Dingens
03-23-2006, 09:52 PM
no

Charles
03-23-2006, 11:55 PM
Ok, could you type in Opera's location bar the following:

opera:about

Hit "Enter" and send us a screenshot please? :)

antik
03-25-2006, 06:19 PM
Ok, could you type in Opera's location bar the following:

opera:about

Hit "Enter" and send us a screenshot please? :)

Ubuntu Linux use DejaVu fonts. (http://dejavu.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page) Why not use these good looking fonts for PC-BSD also? Last time I removed all ugly fonts from system and used only good true type ones. Default Xorg font configuration is horrible- I don't understand what they are thinking when distributing this unbelievable ugliness to all unix users...

pcbsdusr
03-25-2006, 06:29 PM
You have hit the spot Antik. We should have a selection of good looking fonts on the default install.

antik
03-25-2006, 06:55 PM
You have hit the spot Antik. We should have a selection of good looking fonts on the default install.

DejaVu is based on Bitstream fonts and are better than parent. I removed bitstream and pcbsd forums looks much better now. From KDE fonts confuguration I removed CleanU fonts also- they are just horrible. By default KDE uses Sans Serife fonts- I replaced them all with DejaVu. Try it and you would be glad you have read this post....

In Konqueror configuration I use following font list:

Standard font: DejaVu Sans
Fixed font: DejaVu Sans Condensed
Serif font: DejaVu Serif
Sans serif font: Veranda [unknown]
Cursive font: DejaVu Serif
Fantasy font: Sans Serif

My desktop screenshot (http://pildialbum.ee/pic/7081#)- jpeg artifacts makes this image almost unusable but you get the point. In real life this image is much better. I can't post png image cos I can upload only jpg files :?
For more information please visit unifont.org. (http://unifont.org/)

Charles
03-26-2006, 01:20 AM
Yes, hard to see visual improvements from the screenshot here...
I agree with you that the Bitstream family is fuzzy and unprofessional.
PC-BSD will include DejaVu at least with some languages according to Kris, but I think the default install with have this enhanced font because it has a great deal of glyphs ;)

antik
03-26-2006, 10:22 AM
Yes, hard to see visual improvements from the screenshot here...
I agree with you that the Bitstream family is fuzzy and unprofessional.
PC-BSD will include DejaVu at least with some languages according to Kris, but I think the default install with have this enhanced font because it has a great deal of glyphs ;)

Ou s***t this site is trimmed down my original fail and now it's really unusable :shock:

Charles
03-31-2006, 01:51 AM
Ok, Dingens doesn't want to show us what "opera:about" reports in Opera :lol:

Dingens
03-31-2006, 05:54 AM
Ok, Dingens doesn't want to show us what "opera:about" reports in Opera :lol:uppps, i totaly forgot it :idea: :? :roll: 8) :wink: :D

Dingens
04-02-2006, 01:02 PM
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/7492/opera4mb.png

Charles
04-02-2006, 01:10 PM
Bingo 8)

This is what I thought: You're using the FreeBSD version of Opera, this explains why:

- You have nice fonts
- You can't play Flash animations

:wink: