gnome

just curious..why did pcbsd choose kde and is there a option to install latest gnome ( 2.10) in pcbsd ?

thx
DIT

[bsd_usr]

just curious..why did pcbsd choose kde and is there a option to install latest gnome ( 2.10) in pcbsd ?

thx
DIT

The only way to install Gnome is via the ports directory.

Dwayne

[Charles]

I guess KDE was chose because of popularity (Most commercial distros use KDE).

Gnome 2.10 can be installed as a package. That's how I installed it some time ago.

I think the choice was arbitrary: both KDE and Gnome have their followers, and practically only one could be chosen to start with. For either choice the group not chosen would complain.

[Amigamerlin]

Gnome 2.10 can be installed as a package. That's how I installed it some time ago.

I think the choice was arbitrary: both KDE and Gnome have their followers, and practically only one could be chosen to start with. For either choice the group not chosen would complain.

WOW!! wolud be really nice having Gnome GUI installed like a package !!
Please if you are able to create a .pbi with gnome 2.10 please do it !!.
I'll download and test it for sure

IMHO gnome GDI looks very professional. :D

Bye

I should add that the package can be installed from the FreeBSD site, in the ports section. If you look, there is an option to download the metaport as a package, and it enumerates a list of the programs it includes.

I've no idea if PCBSD will package it in their (your?) manner; my guess is that it may be added much later, but it might not be at all. This is pure speculation on my part.

Gnome 2.10 runs on FreeBSD 5.4 just fine, though, so it can be added using the usual pkg_add command. All of the libraries are up-to-date, so there should be no issues. You'll might have to change some of the configuration files to load it when you start x.

Sorry if there was confusion!

[Amigamerlin]

I should add that the package can be installed from the FreeBSD site, in the ports section. If you look, there is an option to download the metaport as a package, and it enumerates a list of the programs it includes.

I've no idea if PCBSD will package it in their (your?) manner; my guess is that it may be added much later, but it might not be at all. This is pure speculation on my part.

Gnome 2.10 runs on FreeBSD 5.4 just fine, though, so it can be added using the usual pkg_add command. All of the libraries are up-to-date, so there should be no issues. You'll might have to change some of the configuration files to load it when you start x.

Sorry if there was confusion!

Oh :( ... I'm a newbie then I'm pretty sure that I'm not able to install gnome !! Anyway is a good thing if someone can package the gnome interface using .PBI manager. Using the PBI manager all can install everything ... newbie like me too ;) .

Anyway .. PCBSD is really a great alternative to MS Windows world. IS rock solid, is easy to install and, the biggest thing is, that is easy to install programs.

I really hope Gnome interface, driver, etc. can be installed via .PBI package. If this can be do... PCBSD will become REALLY REALLY REALLY STRONG a REAL alternative !!

Bye

PS. Sorry for my english.

I wouldn't give up so quickly if you want to install Gnome. The metaport is easy to install, and all of the libraries of 5.4 work with 2.10. So this should be no big deal to install.

It really should be only one command ("pkg_add -r gnome2-2.10.1") and editing of .xinitrc to include the line "exec gnome-session" and removing the exec command for KDE. That's it.

If it does not work, what have you lost other than a bit of time? You won't screw anything up...

[Amigamerlin]

I wouldn't give up so quickly if you want to install Gnome. The metaport is easy to install, and all of the libraries of 5.4 work with 2.10. So this should be no big deal to install.

It really should be only one command ("pkg_add -r gnome2-2.10.1") and editing of .xinitrc to include the line "exec gnome-session" and removing the exec command for KDE. That's it.

If it does not work, what have you lost other than a bit of time? You won't screw anything up...

Thanks !! :D Where I can DL gnome2-2.10.1package for BSD?. Sorry for this stupid question but as I said I'm a completely newbie !!

I wouldn't give up so quickly if you want to install Gnome. The metaport is easy to install, and all of the libraries of 5.4 work with 2.10. So this should be no big deal to install.

It really should be only one command ("pkg_add -r gnome2-2.10.1") and editing of .xinitrc to include the line "exec gnome-session" and removing the exec command for KDE. That's it.

If it does not work, what have you lost other than a bit of time? You won't screw anything up...

Thanks !! :D Where I can DL gnome2-2.10.1package for BSD?. Sorry for this stupid question but as I said I'm a completely newbie !!
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thx to original poster for this bit of info..one alteration needed however and that is:
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pkg_add -r gnome2

is what you need

its working here so give it a try!

cu

[DrJ]

You may well be right about the different package name. I'm not on 5.4 yet; trying the command I suggested did indeed locate the correct package, but not for my OS version (which is correct).

To answer the above question on how to get it, open a shell window and type the pkg_add command. It probably helps to be su to write to some of the appropriate directories (I admit that I don't use packages very often). So in the shell window, type "su" and enter the appropriate password. Then execute the pkg_add command.

I assume you can edit the file I suggested using your favorite text editor. If not, ask.

DrJ

[DrJ]

A few more thoughts on Gnome...

First, when you edit the .xinitrc file, do it as a regular user, and not the superuser. That sets up the .xinitrc file for the account you use most often. Of course you are free to set up the root account as well (or other users), if you like.

The next thing is more philosophical. Right now PCBSD uses KDE as its window manager, and I suspect it will continue to do so for some time. That's fine of course, and it is a reasonable way to start. If you install Gnome as I suggested, you are deviating from the standard sort of system that PCBSD is trying to create. That has a few side-effects.

First, a lot of software that will become PCBSD packages (.pbi, I think) will assume that you have KDE installed, so don't remove it. If a new KDE-centric application is installed, it may take a bit of work to get it to execute properly in Gnome, such as on a menu as opposed to from a shell command line. Both Gnome and KDE server the same purpose, but one is not a drop-in replacement for the other.

Second, it also circumvents around the way PCBSD is intended to work, at least as it is now. It may create some fragmentation that will be difficult for the mainstream here to support. In that case, you may well be on your own, or at least have to rely on other FreeBSD-oriented boards for support.

Personally, I don't think is a big deal -- I see PCBSD as a good way to get people comfortable with FreeBSD before some (not all) go and learn the system in greater detail. So some of the applications down the road may be installed as .pbi files, others as ports. Some may choose to modify kernels and update the base system in the traditional FreeBSD manner, and others may rely on binary upgrades from PCBSD alone.

But that's my opinion, and it may not be yours. Just be aware that there may be certain unforseen consequences from choosing Gnome as a newbie. I should mention that I'm perfectly happy in Gnome -- it is pretty easy, really, and it is designed to be.

But then I've used Berkeley Unix for the better part of 20 years, and I'm comfortable with configuring FreeBSD (including X -- ugh) and finding the appropriate support when I need it. So I may not be representative.

DrJ

[ghostr1der]

I should add that the package can be installed from the FreeBSD site, in the ports section. If you look, there is an option to download the metaport as a package, and it enumerates a list of the programs it includes.

I've no idea if PCBSD will package it in their (your?) manner; my guess is that it may be added much later, but it might not be at all. This is pure speculation on my part.

Gnome 2.10 runs on FreeBSD 5.4 just fine, though, so it can be added using the usual pkg_add command. All of the libraries are up-to-date, so there should be no issues. You'll might have to change some of the configuration files to load it when you start x.

Sorry if there was confusion!

Oh :( ... I'm a newbie then I'm pretty sure that I'm not able to install gnome !! Anyway is a good thing if someone can package the gnome interface using .PBI manager. Using the PBI manager all can install everything ... newbie like me too ;) .

Anyway .. PCBSD is really a great alternative to MS Windows world. IS rock solid, is easy to install and, the biggest thing is, that is easy to install programs.

I really hope Gnome interface, driver, etc. can be installed via .PBI package. If this can be do... PCBSD will become REALLY REALLY REALLY STRONG a REAL alternative !!

Bye

PS. Sorry for my english.
for installing drivers etc. there must support by nvidia and ati etc. nvidia would do i think, but ati :/

[DrJ]

Uh, nVidia's driver works fine with FreeBSD and X11. Are there issues with the .pbi? If so, that can be cured, and I suspect it will be shortly if there are issues. ATi is another matter entirely -- even their Linux drivers are terrible.

DrJ

[Tscherno]

Will the PCBSD Programm Manager work with Gnome or even Fluxbox Gui ?
Well I think there will be Problem`s....


just my 2 cent

;)

[jamiefoxer]

Uh, nVidia's driver works fine with FreeBSD and X11. Are there issues with the .pbi? If so, that can be cured, and I suspect it will be shortly if there are issues. ATi is another matter entirely -- even their Linux drivers are terrible.

I have an ATI Radeon Mobility on my Laptop, and an ATI Radeon X300 SE on my desktop. The ATI desktop was NOT recognized by PC-BSD...(VESA driver was loaded by default). But, I edited XF86Conf, and put in radeon...it worked fine, and GLX and DRI features are loading.

On my laptop, PC-BSD DID recognize the Mobility card (probably because it's an older Radeon model), and I edited the file for DRI and GLX features, and it's also working.

My two ATI Radeon cards are working just fine in PC-BSD.

[jamiefoxer]

i'm going to install Gnome just to have that special Glassy theme...i love it!

But that's it...i'm keeping my system REAL pure...only Gnome through regular package install...everything else...PBI. The less I mess with the core OS, the more likely it will remain dependable and stable.

[dean_fry]

what? my laptop has a x600...how did you install 3d support?? didn't know ati had any except for the older ones....can i just use them??

well i will be installing gnome too ;)
this theme i just an eyecather and since most of the apps i use are gtk apps...i won't get annoyed of diffrent widget styles...

it's time for a qt-gtk wrapper...i think youlle is already working on it...

[jamiefoxer]

but does the theme have a name (the glassy gnome one). Or is it just a bunch of components put together? If so..what's the components? I want to have exactly that on my desktop

[dean_fry]

look here:

http://www.pcbsd.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2172#2172

theme should be d3a

[Dingens]

look here:

http://www.pcbsd.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2172#2172

theme should be d3ayeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! d3a rocks

http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show. ... tent=15963 (http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=15963)

[jamiefoxer]

thanks dean...will install when I get home (working on a lowly Windows XP box at work...blah) :)

[dixy]

I think pc-bsd should stay with only one desktop, which for the time speaking it's kde. If we have one desktop we can ensure quality and I think quality it's a task we can't forgot. Otherwise we will ending up just to be "an another freebsd distro" same way suse or mandriva are "yet another linux".

[dixy]

Sorry. Post deleted.

[dean_fry]

you are quoting yourself?? ;)

[dean_fry]

thanks dean...will install when I get home (working on a lowly Windows XP box at work...blah) :)

can you make a screenshot and post it here?
that would be great :P

[jamiefoxer]

as soon as I get home..

you're not really asking me to screenshot my Windows XP box..are you? Just the same boring "grassfield" look. THough I turned off all the Windows XP eyecandy to eliminate bloating.

[dean_fry]

haha...no a screenshot of the d3a theme :P

[sblevin]

Stick with KDE - PC-BSD will probably end up with a KDE subset, and more options for deciding which parts to actually keep - KDE runs just beautifully without KTeaTimer or KMoonPhase. I for one dont mind all the extras, but while PC-BSD is so new, then leave all the stuff in. Time and experience will make the "what-to-chop" descisions much easier.

For now, if you dont like the clutter, make a new menu, or edit your existing ones. The more you poke around KDE's customisation features, the more you will like it. It really is an awesome beast, it just needs to be tamed in it's raw state. Suse used KDE, but has customised what it displays by default and supplies all the little 'bittles and stuffs' as add ons.

Untill there is an "Official PC-BSD Develpoment Team", it's own Bugzilla and Sourceforge style website etc, then I'm all for clutter.

I also read a while back that KDE was thinking about fully integrating GTK inside KDE, not just a compatability wrapper.

[markiv34]

I wouldn't give up so quickly if you want to install Gnome. The metaport is easy to install, and all of the libraries of 5.4 work with 2.10. So this should be no big deal to install.

It really should be only one command ("pkg_add -r gnome2-2.10.1") and editing of .xinitrc to include the line "exec gnome-session" and removing the exec command for KDE. That's it.

If it does not work, what have you lost other than a bit of time? You won't screw anything up...

The .xinitrc file is supposed to be in the home folder of the user or root atleast that's where it used to be for FreeBSD. So any word on .xinitrc file, where it is located or do I have to created an .xinitrc in the home folder. Thanks in advance for your help.