Project Camel - Which color do you want to see the most

[lazyilmaz]

Like you all know every OS has it's color, XP has blue and OSX too(i quess). I'm currently working on the GUI, so i would like to know which color you like to see as the default color. I was thinking about black with orang or grey with orange. Let me know.

[dixy]

lazyilmaz, tu see which color scheme is most popular I suggest to go to sites like http://www.kde-look.org or http://www.themexp.org and see which themes are the most downloaded.
Make a list, let's say five most pupular visual styles and work on them.

[dean_fry]

not too dark...something bright like d3a:

http://www.sixpixels.de/anju/pcbsd/pics/scr1.jpg

[lazyilmaz]

I've seen a lot of desktop screenshots both of Windows and OSX, and i've noticed that most people like light themes. So i think i'll just use light color's but the guestion still remains, what color should be the default color for PCBSD.

[dixy]

I think that now with the "OS X is comming to PC" fewer everybody wants to see light grays from Aqua.

[dean_fry]

well...even without that fever...they want to see it ;)

[lazyilmaz]

Ok people i'm working on a new start menu for camel, this is what i've done so far. It looks like XP start menu but it's not the same! Tell me what i should change about it.

http://img10.echo.cx/img10/6808/start7xm.th.png (http://img10.echo.cx/my.php?image=start7xm.png)

[bsd_usr]

I could get used to that. I can go between the light and the dark depending on what kind of mood I am in.

It looks good.

Dwayne

[Charles]

Not bad, but I would switch back to the default KDE theme. I don't like black and dark colors for desktop (and hardware!) :)

Also, changing the position of the "Start" menu would have me lost.

My favorite KDE theme is the NVIDIA (http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=12330&file1=12330-1.png&file2=12330-2.png&file3=12330-3.png&name=AKDC+Beta3+preview+2%28see+changelog%29) theme, grey, yellow and green, it looks fresh, modern and... I like it :)

I also like WinXP and OS X GUIs :roll:

Maybe we could keep some consistency with the PC-BSD graphic design that has been done so far... Just a guess... :roll:

[dean_fry]

wow black/orange really looks great!!
but i think the others don't like dark colors...:(

and don't forget that gtk apps still will look white if you don't wrap it!!

maybe white & orange...no body has that :D
i like your orange!!

[lazyilmaz]

This is just a quik design, the colors can always be changed and you can always switch back to the classic menu.

[dean_fry]

try a white background and orange shining/glow for the grey buttons...that should look awesome!
maybe glass buttons?

[lazyilmaz]

I think i'll make 3 different versions, black, white and transparant wtih orange.

Also do you think you can work with this menu? do you think i forgot something? Let me know

[dean_fry]

well something like this...but only in a professional way :oops: :oops:

http://www.sixpixels.de/anju/pcbsd/pics/buttons.jpg

[lazyilmaz]

Did you made it? looks good :) i think i know what you want, i'll work on it later today. And do you think the menu is complete now? which buttons do you want see and which not.

[dean_fry]

yeah i just made it with the standard fireworks plungins...but glady you got the picture :D

the menu is complete...just one thing is missing...

the "run" button.
will the control panel open kde's control panel or pcbsd's?
when pcbsd control tools are implemented in the kde control center then it's okay...otherwise you have to expand it like the application menu...

also consider kde 3.5 changes!! they will make the menus like gnome menus...so your application sub-menu becomes dispensable

http://www.sixpixels.de/anju/pcbsd/pics/k_menu.png

[lazyilmaz]

Yeah i forgot the run button, i'll add that later.

Let's say this is the "explorer"
http://img115.echo.cx/img115/2625/linuxexplorerapps1hf.png

Every changes you make here will affect the "start" menu, just like in Windows but much easier. You can delete links, create new groups etc... You'll see everything in the start menu. Maybe we'll add an option to manage both seperatly.

[dean_fry]

wow...can't speak anymore...ähm type ähm...WOW

that looks AWESOMEEEEEE!!!

[sic]

Yes - thats really really great! Looks perfect!

btw. please dont make this XP start manager clone.. i don't like this overcrowded thing. (hope i am not alone with this position)

[lazyilmaz]

I'm glad you like it :) But don't forget that this is just a screenshot, we need programmers to make this real! @sic You can always switch back to the classic menu so that shoulnd't be a problem.

[Charles]

Here's my entry :)

http://www.auriance.net/docs/pcbsd/desktop.jpg

[dixy]

Very good lazyilmaz.

[lazyilmaz]

Thanks dixy :) Charles i think you should join the team, looks like you're a good designer as well :)

[Dingens]

@charles

YES, GREAT WORK. is this possible with kde? but i miss the four desktops :-)

[Charles]

I could add the 4 virtual desktops easily, that's no big deal. Only problem is that I don't know how to transfer this to KDE :roll:

[dean_fry]

can't the camel project have an own forum here?
add it to translation and control center...please!

[lazyilmaz]

Yes that would be better.

[Dingens]

I could add the 4 virtual desktops easily, that's no big deal. Only problem is that I don't know how to transfer this to KDE :roll:i count on you :lol: :wink:

[jamiefoxer]

i'm so lost...what's the "Camel Project"?

Is this a new desktop environment, or is it a theme for KDE..or is it a set of KDE-specific apps to make PC-BSD a more user-friendly system.

By the way...black and orange looks hot, and all the other designs look awesome. If That becomes PC-BSD standard look, I foresee that a lot of people will want to come over to BSD Unix. We're on our way to make PC-BSD the MacOSX of the PC world.

[bsd_usr]

Basically it is going to be a stripped down version of KDE for PC-BSD. There are many items that don't need to be included in KDE in order for it to function. Most people would rather install the software themselves than have it included and not know it's there.

Plus with a stripped down version of KDE should speed things up a bit.

Dwayne

[Valio]

Will Project Camel also be that control panel project?

[lazyilmaz]

Project Camel is a stripped down version of KDE + a more userfriendly GUI. Personally i don't know if the control panel is a part of this project, you should ask this to Kris or Dixy. By now we need a forum for Camel!

[Valio]

I'll edit slightly the info at useful links thread

[dixy]

Will Project Camel also be that control panel project?

No, it isn't. Like lazyilmaz have said it's a project to provide a better desktop. However it must work fine with Control Panel and Control Panel should be compatible with Camel.

[lazyilmaz]

This is what i have made so far, tell me what i should change about it.

http://img262.echo.cx/img262/4886/startmenu123iz.png

http://img243.echo.cx/img243/7239/startmenu128xu.png

PS. The icons are made by someone else...

[Charles]

Wow, really nice! Have to convert it for KDE now :lol:

[dean_fry]

awesome dude...
i'm just learning how to create own kde themes...
so the first thing would be just to change the theme and then your other changes (filemanager etc.)

Kamels gonna kick ass ;)


great job!

[lazyilmaz]

I wonder if this all is possible with a theme :(

[dean_fry]

well that would only be the first step...then we need HEAVY gui changes...
i want to contact someone from the kde-apps-->kde improvements page...
they already revamped the kde-toolbar to like like e.g. gnome...so maybe they can help us out...

[bhna]

I wonder if this all is possible with a theme :(

i think it's possible.

ps: looks perfect. where is the window titlebar?

[lazyilmaz]

So if this is possible then i wonder whether this is possible too :D

http://img150.echo.cx/img150/7096/features1km.png

If this is possible then Camel really gonna kick ass!

[Charles]

I think purple/pink could be changed to blue or red :roll:

[dixy]

Very good lazyilmaz. Keep up the good work.

[frail]

Awesome work! This is just the eye-candy/functionality that will even drop the jaws of OS X users(I'm one.) I'm really looking forward to seeing what PC-BSD will become.

[Charles]

So, do we have a KDE hacker in the room? :roll:

[OSlover]

Why not integrate the file manager/control panel into the Personal file manager. The control panel and file manager can each have another tab at the top. That can make this a super GUI console for controlling your whole computer. SO you only have one entry in the start menu: Manager. All this time we have been living in XPs multiple window system only because they were mixing in DOS code and structures from Win95 and couldn't be arsed to integrate the whole. I think a single Manager GUI console (ala the Personal File Manager) integrating as a separate tab actual file management (dirty old directory structuring) and control of hardware/software (including the package management) is the best way. Xandros made a stab at it with their Xandros File Manager and people liked it. STOP THIS MUTLIPLE WINDOWS/PROGRAMS FOR MULTIPLE MANAGEMENT TASKS HULLABALOO.

Come to think of it this would render the HOME tab redundant. Might as well convert the home tab to Directory Tree and remove the option from the start menu. Also under the actions panel on the side add in a search option so that you can do a specific search. EG. under videos the search just does videos, under software the search just does applications etc. You can use the search in the start bar as a global search which can bring up a separate window for categorization ala Spotlight.

This simplifies the overall operating system and prevents window overuse. Plus this enables kiosk like operation for touch sensitive screens (Heh I am thinking of the future already).

[lazyilmaz]

I'm already working on a file manager wich includes the control panel, network and the Personal File Manager.

With Personal File Manager i was thinking about something like iTunes integrated in the OS, something that would organize your videos, pictures, music etc... like iTunes. Every user should have his own PM.
And a powerfull search engine like Beagle (http://nat.org/demos/beagle-1.html) integrated in the OS would make it perfect.

I just started working on the start menu, maybe 3 hours of work, so any suggestions are welcome.

The only problem is that i don't understand any single line of code!. All my work is done in Photoshop. When i design something i don't even know if it is possible. And our teams is also not that "big". Maybe you could help us out?

[popey]

Just a thought, but why dont you use Qt Designer and create ui's with some of your own design custom widgets, this doesn't require any coding as such but would create files ready for a programmer.

[edit]designer is included in the base system, Kmenu ==>Run==>designer

[OSlover]

I am trying to conceptualize my ideas of what to put into lazyilmaz's drawings, ie what makes up what I would call the "pad" wich is a single all controlling Manager. This pad can be personalized with different tabs depending on what you want the page to contain. You can see it here
http://www.inmedtech.co.uk/Camel_Basic_Outline.jpg
The user can add or delete tabs and customize what the tabs open up using the Personal Pad tab. The Action bar changes based on the context of the tabs pressed, so pressing on Images would display thumbnails and the action bar would also contain "burn KodakCD" for example. What I am trying to suggest is to integrate all control functions and including the Personal Manager/Itunes functions into the Central Pad pages. So clicking on Music would open up relevant buttons under the Actions bar for playing/rewind etc., this would be similar to what is implimented on SkyOS now. Please try to get away from opening up more windows for program functions, in my opinion xmms, winamp and mplayer interfaces are horrible. Just integrate the functionality into the Pad above.

[sblevin]

OsLover

If you read up on konqueror you can see it does everything, it just needs to be configured to look and do anything you want.

All the bits and structures are there and it could save you years of work : )

It can be made to look just like a conrol panel, multipane MC style file tool - just about anything. Next time you open konqueror, play with the icons and do some system configurations etc - maybe it's all we need - till Camel gets up that is.

[sblevin]

Oh - as I mentioned in another thread, please NO menopause mauve or Tampon Box themes ............. or flowers ........or fields with sky ............. or chameleons ......... or starfish ......ummmmmm ...... ummmmmm .... or really really dark 13373Rz themes that make your eyes start bleeding after 10 minutes. : )

If in doubt, desaturate : )

[bhna]

Oh - as I mentioned in another thread, please NO menopause mauve or Tampon Box themes ............. or flowers ........or fields with sky ............. or chameleons ......... or starfish ......ummmmmm ...... ummmmmm .... or really really dark 13373Rz themes that make your eyes start bleeding after 10 minutes. : )

If in doubt, desaturate : )

please post a link to a theme that you like.

[sblevin]

Examples

Tampon Box:
http://www.themexp.org/screenshots/large/vs/108333.jpg

http://www.themexp.org/screenshots/large/vs/101330.jpg

Menopause Mauve:
http://www.themexp.org/screenshots/large/vs/100310.jpg

http://www.themexp.org/screenshots/large/vs/101627.jpg

I like strong, bold colours without too much blending, and simple clean widgets - less it so much more in my opinion, and thats all this is - just my opinion.

[sblevin]

Ohhh - and Orange is STILL the new blue, and tree-frog-green is hard but nice : )

[OSlover]

To sblevin, I agree there are some awful desktop themes available out there. My pet peeve is my neighbour who insists that the first thing he puts onto the desktop after I have reinstalled it the umpteenth time with the umpteenth OS is some garish picture from Star Trek, pixellated and all. I like Start Trek but what he does with the desktop is awful.

I think lazyilmaz's pearl white theme and design is awesome. I also think his tabs on the Personal Pad is just the right size. Now what we need is the default konqueror Explorer to look like it. The first thing that a noob sees when coming on to PC-BSD. Frankly I dont want to spend hours changing the konquerors default to look like the above mentioned Personal Pad. If it is all available on Konqueror at the moment we should be able to get Camel onto PC-BSD soon enough.

Lazyilmaz, I am sure you are fleshing out designs at the moment. Are you going to populate the screenshots section of the Camel Project on Berlios.de?

[lazyilmaz]

I was thinking about the following

- A Personal File Manager with a welcome screen where the user can see if he has new email, see if his friends are online etc...
maybe something like this.
http://img211.exs.cx/img211/2010/linuxexplorerwelcomescre4mx.png

So clicking on Music would open up relevant buttons under the Actions bar for playing/rewind etc., this would be similar to what is implimented on SkyOS now. Please try to get away from opening up more windows for program functions, in my opinion xmms, winamp and mplayer interfaces are horrible. Just integrate the functionality into the Pad above.
This is exactly what i want too
http://img210.exs.cx/img210/4651/linuxexplorerpictures19fm.jpg

Please note that these are old images, i'm working on something new.

[OSlover]

I think lazyilmaz you have almost reached perfection.

A few gripes, maybe there can be a window resizing 'grip' at the bottom right hand corner like OS X. Maybe the close/minimize/maximize buttons next to this 'grip' to the left of it. Also the bars for the Actions area have too much shadowing and detracting from the action in the centre of the menu. Maybe just a slight 3d 'bump' with shadow lighting would suffice. They dont need to be seen to float. The buttons in the main area eg the movies... halflife2... can be seen to float coz by clicking on them as the main part of the window, they will 'sink' to show tactile feedback.

Otherwise what an awesome design. This will wipe out ANYTHING out there and usher in a new category of GUI ARTIST into the technology nomenclature!

You know, the more I look at the design, the more I think this is the interface that could make tablet pcs popular.

[Charles]

If you could turn these top icons into tabs, it would be even better 8)

[OSlover]

I propose we call this implementation the 'Personal Pad' from now on since it encompasses file managing, searching, hardware control. A catchy name for the inflection point in GUI design:!:

[bhna]

i think this is what you need for your project.

http://developer.kde.org/summerofcode/sidebar.html

and

http://developer.kde.org/summerofcode/labelbrowser.html

[pcbsdusr]

Is anyone working on the desktop and it's features?


I wrote down some ideas one of these days but i haven't been able to post here yet...

[lazyilmaz]

The BerliOS site doesn't work that great, it would be great if we had a forum on this site were we could post such as things.

[speel]

well i dont have a specific color but stay away from the blue and white because every desktop os has it in some shape or form ... go with somthing unique like red and white , green , lime green , yellow black, yellow red ah i dont know just sonthing unique